Chrissy,
>Need I take us back to the morning of 9/11 when he sat in that elementary school classroom for seven minutes reading childrens stories and wetting himself before doing a thing? In retrospect that response proves to be a foreshadowing in what amounts to the only reaction one could expect from him in such recent events.
How long would it take to find out whether there was an actual attack and not an accident, as many believed before the second plane hit the north tower?
Rex
Shining One
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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Bisous,
Surveys from the media (in general) are typically worded to reflect poorly on the president. Before you give credence to any so called 'survey', look at the question asked and analyze it. The libs in media are 'grasping at straws' and often making news instead of just reporting the facts. I thought all of you ex-JW rationalists were only interested in facts, right?
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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Dan, here is my point:
>Bush is a Christian in a mostly Christian country, which is responsible for the freedom of millions while socialism and communism has killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century alone.
Perhaps you can actually stick to it and try to refute my statements?
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Questions for Jgnat
by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
here are my answers to your charges.
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Jgnat,
You had some points that I missed in a previous thread. Here are my answers to your charges. How can you claim to be Christian, when you consistently ignore scripture and context in your critique of others who support the word of God as being factual?
>The problem with worshipping the Bible as a god
Are you saying that respect for and obedience to scriptural commands is somehow incorrect for Christians?
>is that the defender is forever condemned to explain away its inconsistencies.
If the Bible is inconsistent, then how can you claim that it has any spiritual significance in your life? What do you use as the standard to justify ignoring some scriptures and embracing others? If you don't believe that it teaches the truth of Almighty God, then how can you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ?
The 'inconsistencies' that you claim exist are typically reconciled. Christians do not have to explain, nor account for, all alleged 'inconsistencies' to gain the upper hand in apologetics. Also, infallibility and inerrancy are two separate issues. You need to discern which is 'in play', instead of making wide general assumptions.
>This creates twisted doctrine.
'Twisted doctrine' is the result of interpreting scripture out of context. Perhaps you can explain to us the basis you use to judge another Christian's obedience to scripture and why they should not do so?
>Following the bible slavishly, ignoring the evidence in front of us, can cause much harm.
Again, if you do not hold scripture to be factual, on what basis do you claim to be Christian? What is the 'evidence in front of us' that scripture-respecting Christians ignore?
> * I've seen abusers use the bible to force their victims to "forgive" them and remain in an abusive situation.
How can a Christian accomplish this without being a cultist, like you and I came out of? Surely you are not comparing orthodox Christianity with Jw-ism, are you?
> * I've seen evangelicals bully a deathbed conversion in order to "save" the poor soul waiting to die.
Perhaps you can tell me why Romans 3.23; 6.23; 5.8; 10.9-11, John 3.3; 3.5;, 3.16, Eph. 2.8-9 do not apply to every individual alive and why a evangelical is wrong to compassionately share scripture with another soul? What part of Matthew 28.18-20 and Acts 1.8 are you too 'good' to observe and obey?
Sharing the gospel is no more than one beggar telling another one where to find a meal and a place to sleep. We are just to be obedient to our Lord and let Him be responsible for their further welfare.
To make the statement that evangelicals 'bully' others into a 'confession' is flat out ignorant. I know of no Christian pastor that is anything but compassionate with the dying and their families. Can this occur on occasion, no doubt. You seem to have an agenda that 'paints all with a wide brush'!
> * I've seen end-time believers scour the news in hopes of finding further evidence that our world is dying.
Yes, I have also and I believe they are in error. Prophecy cannot be gleaned from every day events. I will not condemn them since I myself do not know 'the day or hour.
>Yes, Christians have much to apologize for. I'm sorry.
We are told to not seek to be a teacher of scripture unless we are called to do so. Remember that there is a heavier responsibility and weightier judgment for those who teach error or 'stumble others'. If you quote scripture in context, the result will be one of two things: acceptance of Christ or offense and denial. Even 'no decision' is ultimately denial. I am sorry that some are offended.
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Why 'defining evil' is fruitless
by Shining One ini think that terry's answer to his own question about 'defining evil' is incorrect.
you do not even need to define evil when you have an absolute truth to go by.
you can go through a lot of speculation in order to define evil.
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Jgnat,
I wonder why you claim to be Christian when you consistently ignore scripture and context?
>The problem with worshipping the Bible as a god
Are you saying that trying to respect and obey scriptural commands is somehow incorrect for Christians?
>is that the defender is forever condemned to explain away it's inconsistencies.
If the Bible is inconsistent, then how can you claim that it has any spiritual significance in your life? What do you use as the standard to justify ignoring some scripture and embracing other? If you don't believe that it teaches the truth of Almighty God, then how can you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ?
The 'inconsistencies' that you claim exist are typically reconciled. Christians do not have to explain nor account for all alleged 'inconsistencies' to gain the upper hand in apologetics. Also, infallibility and inerrancy are two separate issues. You need to discern which is 'in play', instead of making wide general assumptions.
>This creates twisted doctrine.
'Twisted doctrine' is the result of interpreting scripture out of context. Perhaps you can explain to us the basis you use to judge ancother Christian's obedience to scripture and why they should not do so?
>Following the bible slavishly, ignoring the evidence in front of us, can cause much harm.
Again, if you do not hold scrpture to be factual, on what basis do you claim to be Christian? What is the 'evidence in front of us' that scripture respecting Christians ignore?
> * I've seen abusers use the bible to force their victims to "forgive" them and remain in an abusive situation.
How can a Christian accomplish this without being a cultist, like you and I came out of? Surely you are not comparing orthodox Christianity with Jw-ism, are you?
> * I've seen evangelicals bully a deathbed conversion in order to "save" the poor soul waiting to die.
Perhaps you can tell me why Romans 3.23; 6.23; 5.8; 10.9-11, John 3.3;. 3.5;, 3.16, Eph. 2.8-9 do not apply to every individual alive and why a evangelical is wrong to compassionately share scripture with another soul? What part of Matthew 28.18-20 and Acts 1.8 are you too 'good' to observe and obey?
Sharing the gospel is no more than one beggar telling another one where to find a meal and a place to sleep. We are just be obedient to our Lord and let Him be responsible for their further welfare.
> * I've seen end-time believers scour the news in hopes of finding further evidence that our world is dying.
Yes, I have also and I believe they are in error. Prophecy cannot be gleaned from every day events. I will not condemn them since I myself do not know 'the day or hour.
>Yes, Christians have much to apologize for. I'm sorry.
We are told to not seek to be a teacher of scripture unless we are called to do so. Remember that there is a heavier responsibilty and weightier judgement for those who teach error or 'stumble others'.
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Why 'defining evil' is fruitless
by Shining One ini think that terry's answer to his own question about 'defining evil' is incorrect.
you do not even need to define evil when you have an absolute truth to go by.
you can go through a lot of speculation in order to define evil.
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Hi Hamster,
>Slavery came to an end as a result of humanism arguing the value of every being who is born free.
Slavery (In the U.S.) was the result of a compromise dating back to the revolution, Slavery was ended mostly as a result of the second 'Great Awakening', a time of spiritual revival that emptied jails and drastically reduced alcohol consumption. This event helped birth the freedom from slavery movement and led directly to the civil war when the southern states refused to abolish it.
>The Bible says that slaves should "remain in subjection to your masters with all humility."
If every slave in the South had believed this, they would have been fighting for the Confederacy to stay in bondage. The christians in the north actually encouraged the slaves in the south to go against the divinely inspired words of St Paul and rebel.
Most slaves were illiterate and had no idea of the scriptural admonitions. You are comparing apples and oranges, interpreting scripture out of context of the culture in question.
>Therefore the Northern States were evil for promoting unscriptural ideology.
Get the context correct before you make assumptions that have no basis in fact.
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Is being a Witness really so bad? Is religion bad in general?
by jwfacts ini have no intention of ever being a witness again, but when i look at my family i wonder if they are better living in the ignorance they call spiritual paradise.
many people seem to have a need for religion.
is it better if they remain as they are?
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Hi JWfacts,
Why don't you quit wasting your time here and look into what is actually true about the resurrection? I recommend some books by Lee Strobel, 'The Case for Faith' and 'The Case for Christ'. All you will get here is confusion and contradiction, and an indoctrination into the board faith: Naturalism.
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"Why am I here", the great majority of 'dubs are of at least average intelligence. They are not in general, stupid. They are victims of a cult that is extremely clever and deceitful. The overwheming majority of the people here ARE victims as well. They are also not stupid.
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Are you dead yet?
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two Bible & jw questions
by carla infirst question is - husband says that god will establish a kingdom ruled by jesus (or should that be michael?
) then jesus turns it back over to god.
how's that?and what then becomes of jesus?
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>Jesus was just a man - a kind and loving man with some wise advice, but just a man nonetheless.
That doesn't wash and you know it. At least be honest. If you are going to 'hedge your bet', try the evidence in favor of Christ as He claimed to be: God the son. If He was 'just a kind and loving man with wise advice', you have to ignore the majority of His ministry and statements.
Rex